https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/92d43ea7-962c-4c4a-8d91-e637155decad/episodes/3fc110a4-69cd-4603-9666-fb09d5831b72/audio/728d4baf-e625-414e-b156-081701d96c0c/default_tc.mp3 Navigating Change in Church Life with Darlene Dryer Published March 10, 2025